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标题: 从对“议标”的了解到对“定标权”被规范的理解 [打印本页]
作者: 汉瓦    时间: 2008-7-31 10:40
标题: 从对“议标”的了解到对“定标权”被规范的理解
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24&#46;1pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">笔者的贴子《殊途同归：<span lang="EN-US">“议标”的取消与“定标权”的规范——从另一角度再议“定标权”》</span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24&#46;1pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">贴子地址：</span></b><font face="Times New Roman"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">http://bbs&#46;chinabidding& ... p;#46;php?tid=16824</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24&#46;1pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Laochan</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">作了回复，内容主要有二条，笔者逐条进行说明，红字为</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Laochan</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">的回复，我的说明用黑字，如下：</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"> <p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24&#46;1pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">一、</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">“</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">议标</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">”</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">本不是一种招标形式。取消</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">“</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">议标</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">”</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">理所当然。</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">——Laochan</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">观点</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">汉瓦插议：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">（一）先讨论“议标”是不是一种“招标形式”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">1</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">、在中国大陆，在《招标投标法》实施之前，应该是一种招标形式，理由：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">1994</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">年的建设部令第</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">23</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">号《工程建设施工招标投标管理办法》第十三条规定：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">施工招标可采用下列方式：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">（一）公开招标。由招标单位通过报刊、广播、电视等方式发布招标公告；</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">（二）邀请招标。由招标单位向有承担该项工程施工能力的三个以上（含三个）企业发出招标邀请书；</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24&#46;1pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">（三）议标。对不宜公开招标或邀请招标的特殊工程，应报县级以上地方人民政府建设</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">行政主管部门或其授权的招标投标办事机构，经批准后可以议标。参加议标的单位一般不得少于两家（含两家）。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">2</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">、在中国台湾，也把“议标”当作是“招标形式”的一种，理由：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">《台湾地区政府采购法》第十八条中的“限制性招标”类似我们所说的“议标”，该条规定如下：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 48pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 4&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">采购之招标方式，分为公开招标、选择性招标及限制性招标。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">　　本法所称公开招标，指以公告方式邀请不特定厂商投标。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">　　本法所称选择性招标，指以公告方式预先依一定资格条件办理厂商资格审查后，再行邀请符合资格之厂商投标。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 48&#46;2pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 4&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">本法所称限制性招标，指不经公告程序，邀请二家以上厂商比价或仅邀请一家厂商议价。</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">3</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">、在境外其他地方，有学者这样认为：<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="COLOR: blue">议标也称谈判招标</span></b></span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">(Negottiation Tendering,</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">一译</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">negotiated bidding)</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">或限制性招标</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">(Limited Tendering</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">，一译</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">Limited biddin)</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">，即通过谈判来确定中标者。</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">（这个“议标”中文解释和英语译文是否贴切，咱们可以先不管，我记得</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><a href="profile&#46;php?action=show&uid=35"><span style="COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none">Laochan</span></a></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">好象专门研究过招标方面的英文翻译），但不管怎么样对“议标”这词进行翻译，都不可能影响我们这它的讨论，<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="COLOR: blue">个人认为“议标”也应该是一种公认的“招标方式”吧。</span></b></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">4</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">、在中国大陆，《招标投标法》实施后，除强制招标外，所有进行的“议标”，法定意义上都不适宜称之为“招标方式”了。但这并不妨碍我的主贴中所要表述的含义：<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="COLOR: blue">即“议标”在境内曾经是“招标方式”的一种，在境外现在也依然是“招标方式”的一种</span></b>。这都应该是公认的吧。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24&#46;1pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">（二）通过以上</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-font-kerning: 0pt"><font face="Times New Roman">1~4</font></span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">点分析，可以得出“议标”实质上是属于“招标方式”的一种，虽然目前不是属于“法定招标”的一种形式，但也并不妨碍它的存在，事实上它仍然以“谈判招标”、“简易招标”、“比选”等方式活跃在各种场合。</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">那么这样看来，取消“议标”并不是因为它不是“招标方式”的一种，而是因为我主贴中所说的其他理由了。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24&#46;1pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">二、取消</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">“</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">议标</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">”</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">与剥夺招标人定标权是风马牛不相及的两件事，又何来殊途同归呢？</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">——Laochan</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">观点</span></b><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: red; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">汉瓦插议：</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">有了对“议标”的方式的正确了解，再从主贴中看“议标”在中国被《招标投标法》所坚决取消的原由，就可以合理地理解了有关方面规范“定标权”的用心良苦。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 3pt 0pt 0cm; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-hansi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">从这意义上看，“议标”和“定标权”不是殊途同归了吗？“议标”和“定标权”不是风马牛相及了吗？</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><p /></span></p><p />
作者: Laochan    时间: 2008-7-31 12:40
一、中国招标的老师当属世界银行。

所谓的“议标”即为世行《采购指南》中的“询价采购”（shopping)。某些人或某些地方将“询价采购”称为“议标”。绝不要以为，有个“标”字就是招标了。


二、退一万步说，就算“议标”是一种招标方式，与剥夺招标人的定标权又有什么必然的关系呢？总不能说：“因为取消了”议标“，所以，就要剥夺招标人的定标权。”
作者: gdonline    时间: 2008-7-31 16:23
有点深澳哦。
作者: lanchong    时间: 2008-7-31 16:34
我也来发个言：“议标”不应该是一种公认的“招标方式”，因该是一种采购方式！
作者: 汉瓦    时间: 2008-7-31 22:16
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引用第1楼Laochan于2008-07-31 12:40发表的: 一、中国招标的老师当属世界银行。 所谓的“议标”即为世行《采购指南》中的“询价采购”（shopping)。某些人或某些地方将“询价采购”称为“议标”。绝不要以为，有个“标”字就是招标了。 &#46;&#46;&#46;&#46;&#46;&#46;&#46;
</p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-layout-grid-align: none\"><font size=\"3\"><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">第一个问题，关于</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">“</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">议标</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">”</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">是否是招标形式的一种，目前貌似有二大流派，一派认为属于</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">“</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">招标形式</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">”</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">之一，一派认为不属于</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">“</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">招标方式</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">”</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">。或许细分一下，又有：世行派、</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">WTO</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">派、传统派、词义派、法定派、海外派、采购派等等</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">——</span><font face=\"宋体\"><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\">呵呵，笔者给各种说法划分的流派，先暂且不论，留待以后有机会细述。</span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\"><p /></span></font></font></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-layout-grid-align: none\"><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\"><p><font size=\"3\"> </font></p></span></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-layout-grid-align: none\"><font size=\"3\"><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">第二个问题，笔者的观点不是</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">“</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">因为取消了</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">\'</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">议标</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">\'</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">，所以，就要剥夺招标人的定标权。</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">”</span><font face=\"宋体\"><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\">，而是如下观点：</span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\"><p /></span></font></font></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-layout-grid-align: none\"><font size=\"3\"><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">取消</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">“</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">议标</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">”</span><font face=\"宋体\"><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\">的原因是：由于议标的中标者是通过谈判产生的，不便于公众监督，容易导致非法交易，产生幕后交易，暗箱操作，滋生腐败。</span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\"><p /></span></font></font></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-layout-grid-align: none\"><font size=\"3\"><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">规范</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">“</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">定标权</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">”</span><font face=\"宋体\"><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\">，不让国资项目招标人随意从中标候选人中确定中标人的原因也如上面所述一样的，即：招标人如果确定的中标人不是第一候选人，可能招标人有这样或那样的理由。但不便于公众监督，容易导致非法交易，产生幕后交易，暗箱操作，滋生腐败。</span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\"><p /></span></font></font></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: char; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; mso-char-indent-count: 2&#46;0; mso-layout-grid-align: none\"><font size=\"3\"><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">——</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">所以取消</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">“</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">议标</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">”</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">和规范</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">“</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">定标权</font></span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\">”</span><span style=\"COLOR: blue; mso-ascii-font-family: Verdana; mso-hansi-font-family: Verdana\"><font face=\"宋体\">，从立法背景（中国国情）和目的有了联系。</font></span></font><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\"><p /></span></p><p />
作者: 汉瓦    时间: 2008-8-3 20:35
为了便于了解此贴,补充一个材料

关于《中华人民共和国招标投标法（草案）》的说明


1999年4月26日在第九届全国人民代表大会常务委员会第九次会议上
        国家发展计划委员会主任  曾培炎  

二、关于招标方式
    目前存在的招标方式大体上有三种：公开招标，邀请招标，议标。公开招标，是指招标人以招标公告的方式邀请不特定的法人或者其他组织投标。邀请招标，是指招标人以投标邀请书的方式邀请若干特定的法人或者其他组织投标。这两种方式比较规范，符合国际惯例，已为人们广泛接受。议标是通过协商达成交易的一种方式，通常是在非公开状态下通过谈判方式进行的，是不是一种招标方式，至今仍有很大争议，其本身的概念也不甚明确，实践中存在的问题比较多。在征求意见过程中，多数部门和专家不赞成将议标作为一种招标方式。因此，草案仅规定了公开招标和邀请招标两种招标方式，没有规定议标。



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